[Biodiesel In Utah] Gauging Real Interest of WVO need/use in SLCounty

[David Y]

Andre, this is a great idea!  I would pay $0.85 per gallon, with the
hope that someday that price will come down.  Sure, $0.85/gal might
seem high, but when you factor in Renegade's time, and fuel spent
collecting, filtering and delivering it doesn't seem too bad to me.
We Salt Lakers have got to start somewhere, and this seems as good a
place as any.

As far as the hurdles:
- Cost of tank, setup, etc.
- Cost of insurance

I'm not sure what the numbers are, but perhaps we could price the WVO
higher at first- maybe $1.25 or $1.50 per gallon until the tank and
initial setup is paid off.  Then we can lower it to a price that
covers the oil as well as the insurance costs.

As for serving the pump, we can't expect a 24-hour fillup station...
but I would be willing to donate an hour or two on a Saturday, and
anyone who wants to buy WVO can show up in that window of time.  The
more people who volunteer, the more windows of time we can have open.
Can we get a tank with multiple dispensers?

So?  Who's in?

-David  (My '84 Benz and I are in!)


P.S.  Andre- thanks for doing the footwork on this, I feel like we're
finally getting somewhere!


On 11/14/06, Andre Shoumatoff <andre at shoumatoffmedia.com> wrote:
>
>
> As I understand it, once the transportation fee has been paid once and if
> the grease was collected by a renderer, then it does not have to be paid
> again (and the permit is not required)..   I would be surprized if everyone
> in the chain needed to have the permit, even the end users...  I will have
> to double check with the health department, but this is what I understood
> from our meeting last winter when the Health Dept rep was there..   Also
> there are some city, fire code, and other issues and personally it has me a
> little concerned as to real world pheasability of homebrewing in homes and
> home garages & such...
>
> Also the cost is a little steep ( I think if it was $.50 a gallon then it
> would be more attractive to us) but about $.85 is not too out of line.
> Again this number could go up or down, they will have to look at their
> costs..   I think it would be something like "cost" for them, so they won't
> lose money but won't make any and hopefully this could create a solution to
> problems they are saying they have been having with biodieselers and a
> solution for us as well...    I will have to find out more about the
> specifics but I gave them a basic outline of we would need and what would be
> preferred.  They said they can selectively choose their oil supplies and
> provide lower titration once we went through exactly how it works.  We will
> need to work out specifics, water and other contaminents will be removed..
> They have a close looped system where they basically put in the oil and on
> the other end it comes out, so there are no "options" so basically we will
> get what the pig farmers & such get...   Also it was good to get a little
> more insight into their business, they see hundreds of thousands of gallons
> sometimes at a time, mostly to Texas & such...  Big business...
>
> So again this is proposed..  Number one thing for them is liability, so if
> their lawyers axe the idea, then there goes the concept...  Also they are
> not setup for retail so this is why we will need to provide a location..  I
> have asked "The Oracle" (Mark from MJ Auto, the Benz mechanic off Redwood
> road who is very biodieseler friendly) and he is considering it.  Other than
> that I have no idea where else we could do it.  Then there is the cost of
> the tank and liability insurance so there are some real logistical issues..
>
>
> Andre
>
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> From: list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org [mailto:list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org]
> On Behalf Of Graydon Blair
> Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 12:56 AM
> To: Biodiesel in Utah
> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] Gauging Real Interest of WVO need/use in
> SLCounty
>
>
> How would this deal with the issue of transporting the grease (the REAL
> reason it's illegal to collect in SL County?)
>
> The permit is to transport, not to collect the grease. If there was a tank
> full of WVO put somewhere, what are their plans for dispensing it and
> getting around the "must be permitted to transport" the grease?
>
> Technically, if it's been rendered or filtered, then we could get around it
> that way, as the county doesn't consider it a "waste" product once it's been
> "industrialized".
>
> What would the fee's be to participate in something like this?
>
> Andre Shoumatoff <andre at utahbiodiesel.org> wrote:
>
> I wanted to report that I have been having discussions with Renegade Oil
> including an excellent meeting we had last week up here in Heber City
> including a tour of our brewing facility, to come up with a possible
> solution to the "grease problem" in Salt Lake County.
>
> The proposed partnership would be a tank (1000 gallons most likely) of WVO
> placed somewhere in Salt Lake City (I am currently exploring options - I do
> have some possibles already).  The oil would be available from a wide
> diameter spiget to anyone interested.  It would be fully rendered, no water,
> would be high quality that will titrate low, and be filtered to at least
> 1/4" as part of the agreement.  Currently estimated cost would be about
> ~$.85 a gallon to biodieselers (keep in mind they get are currently getting
> $1.28 on the market - so this would be a compromise for them).
>
> At this point, I am trying to gauge how much real world interest there would
> be to using this grease, and whether it is worth the expense of insurance,
> cost of the tank, etc, that hte biodiesel coop will need to take on.
>
> How much are people who are brewing willing to use and would you be willing
> to pay $.85 a gallon or so to buy clean and legal oil?  Most of you probably
> know, the big deal is that collecting WVO in Salt Lake County is currently
> illegal...   Besides that, it takes reasonable infrastructure IMO to collect
> grease and do it well, and it seems that biodieselers are giving biodiesel a
> bad name because many are giving up after a few months, walking away from
> verbal agreements, not picking up barrels when needed, making messes, etc.
> As Renegade put it, we are "their best salesman."
>
> If you can please post up in response, I am curious to hear if you guy
> think.
>
> Hurtles for us are:
> - Cost of tank, setup, etc.
> - Cost of insurance (re legal for Renegade).
> - Cost of oil.
> - Finding a location for the oil that someone can man.
>
> Hurdles for them:
> - Making sure they can deliver.
> - Legal (this is probably the biggest deal breaker - they have legitimate
> legal concerns about it that would need to be addressed).
>
>
> Best, Andre
>
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