[Biodiesel In Utah] Gauging Real Interest of WVO need/use in SL County

[Graydon Blair]

Also, find out what their "high-quality" rendered product would be.

What free-fatty acid content would they guarantee?
What water content percent would they guarantee it to be under?

At current, renderer's across the US can guarantee to biodieseler's oil that is under 5% FFA content and lower than 2% total water content.

If that's the case for this $0.85/gallon oil, then I'd be interested.

If it's much higher than 5% FFA and if the water content is much higher than 5% then I'd lose interest really quick. Biodiesel yields go down fairly quickly if FFA Content is much above 5% and soap content shoots up really quickly when the water content creeps much above 2%.

Also, to what level of filtering would they guarantee as well? (ie. how many microns would they filter it down to?)

If they could guarantee that for $0.85/gallon they'd supply us with oil filtered down to at least 200 microns, have an FFA % content of no more than 5%, and have a water content of no more than 2% then I'd be very interested.

To make the county happy we'd still have to identify how we're going to get rid of the glycerin as well as what we're doing with the waste water.  Most waste water plants won't let any more than about 1500 to 2500 PPM of BOD (Biodegradable Oxygen Demand) and about 2000 PPM of COD (Chemical Oxygen Demand) in their water systems.

Let's see.....$0.85/gallon for feedstock + $0.70 gallon for consumables & electricity would make it $1.60/gallon. Add on the $0.48/gallon excise tax and that brings the total cost up to about $2.18/gallon to produce it yourself.

Not too shabby. 

-Graydon


Patrick <paward4 at gmail.com> wrote: I'm interested in WVO for a kit that I'd put on my car.  I'd gladly pay upto  $0.75 - $0.80 per gallon for fully rendered, no water quality WVO.


On 11/13/06,  Andre Shoumatoff <andre at utahbiodiesel.org> wrote:        I wanted to report that I have been having  discussions with Renegade Oil including an excellent meeting we had last  week up here in Heber City including a tour of our brewing facility, to come up  with a possible solution to the "grease problem" in Salt Lake County.   
  
 The proposed partnership would be a  tank (1000 gallons most  likely) of WVO placed somewhere in Salt Lake City (I am currently exploring  options - I do have some possibles already).  The oil would be available  from a wide diameter spiget to anyone interested.  It would be fully  rendered, no water, would be high quality that will titrate low, and be  filtered to at least 1/4" as part of the agreement.  Currently estimated  cost would be about ~$.85 a gallon to biodieselers (keep in mind they get are  currently getting $1.28 on the market - so this would be a compromise for  them).
  
 At this point, I am trying to gauge how much real  world interest there would be to using this grease, and whether it is worth the  expense of insurance, cost of the tank, etc, that hte biodiesel coop will need  to take on.
  
 How much are people who are brewing willing to use  and would you be willing to pay $.85 a gallon or so to buy clean and legal  oil?  Most of you probably know, the big  deal is that collecting WVO in Salt Lake County is currently  illegal...   Besides that, it takes reasonable infrastructure IMO to  collect grease and do it well, and it seems that biodieselers are giving  biodiesel a bad name because many are giving up after a few months, walking away  from verbal agreements, not picking up barrels when needed, making messes,  etc.  As Renegade put it, we are "their best  salesman."
  
 If you can please post up in response, I am curious  to hear if you guy think. 
  
 Hurtles for us are:
 - Cost of tank, setup, etc.
 - Cost of insurance (re legal for  Renegade).
 - Cost of oil.
 - Finding a location for the oil that someone can  man.
  
 Hurdles for them:
 - Making sure they can deliver.
 - Legal (this is probably the biggest deal breaker  - they have legitimate legal concerns about it that would need to be  addressed).
  
  
 Best, Andre
  
  

  
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