[Biodiesel In Utah] list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 1
Andre Shoumatoff
andre at shoumatoffmedia.com
Fri Aug 25 15:15:25 EDT 2006
If we could, those of you who are interested in starting an actual "coop" in
the "coop" please email me directly..! I will be out of town almost all of
next week but after labor day maybe we could all get together and try to set
something up. Email direct to andre "at" utahbiodiesel.org Thanks!
Andre
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(This is just a general statement of support for the idea)
I've been a rather quiet member of the forum for almost a year now (don't
often post, for whatever reason). I'm very interested in biodiesel and have
been searching for the right diesel car for a while now as well.
The proposed arrangment of a cooperative is something to which I would be
more than willing to donate time and energy, even without the prospect of
immediate benefit. Once I've acquired a diesel engine to run, I'd be willing
to put money in as well.
Jonathan
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Today's Topics:
1. Re: working together (Andre Shoumatoff)
2. Re: Purchase WVO? (David Y)
3. Re: Purchase WVO? (Graydon Blair)
4. Re: working together (p M)
5. Re: working together (rtrim at xmission.com)
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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:07:36 -0600
From: "Andre Shoumatoff" <andre at shoumatoffmedia.com>
Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
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I am actually in complete support of this concept, entirely, but the
stipulation that I want is that "being a member" of the Co-op does not mean
that you have to participate in a more traditionally-cooperative way.. The
vast majority of members are people who don't have time to brew but want to
keep on using it and showing support for it, so they mostly buy it...
The big challenges, I think, are mostly financial and people working
together, and coming up with leadership to get it going. There is a member
in Park City (Bill Hartleib) who I will be meeting with later today who is a
strong proponent of this idea, so there is one person. Perhaps the person
who suggested the idea as #2? I think if we could take say 3 or 4 persons
in leadership positions, and start working on the idea of setting up a
location, figuring how much each person would have to put in, in
relationship to rent, cost of the equipment, cost/time of collecting grease.
We also have a few insurance agents who are members of the Coop who have
offered to at least persue the idea of insurance, both for the facility and
for necessary permits. Is anyone else interested in this idea?
Andre
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On Behalf Of rtrim at xmission.com
Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:48 PM
To: list at utahbiodiesel.org
Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
I'm a new member as well. What you are proposing seems like a full Co-op. If
my read is right of what is posted on the Utahbiodiesel.org site, they don't
want to be a full co-op... yet.
Interesting comment by the guy on the KUER segment about transporting human
waste....Lets see, my 5th wheel trailer carries 47 gal. of the stuff all
over the place until I hit a dump station... and they're how many hundreds
of like rigs moving about daily in Utah? Seems a bit more risky than a
barrel of veggie oil.
It's also interesting that the guy from Renegade isn't smart enough to
figure out that if he gets paid to haul it away and can get paid again to
sell some to us... that's a pretty good business model. Yet he expends a
great deal of energy trying to stop those who are willing to pay him. Not
the sharpest pencil in the pack.
Bob Trim
Quoting p M <pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com>:
> Although I am a newer member of the .org, it seems logical that if we
> combined out talents, time and resources to produce the biodiesel we
> would all benefit.
>
> Ideas like:
> 1. Renting a building where we can make/store the stuff and get it
> out of our home garages.
> 2. Divide and conquer...some of the group be responsible for gather
> the grease and others to manufacture it 3. Modest fee charged per gal
> of use to pay overhead 4. Investigate discount bulk buying from large
> producer for the use of our non profit organization 5. Suggestions,
> comments?
> Phil Mattingly
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:09 -0600
From: "David Y" < <mailto:themadmerchant at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] Purchase WVO?
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Wow. I had no idea a company could be so obtuse. Harassing restaurant
managers over waste vegetable oil? This sounds like a mafia episode from
the Simpsons. How on earth did this law requiring a 'grease handlers
permit' get passed? Do any other counties in the country have laws like
that?
One thing is clear: It's time to band together in our collection and brewing
efforts.
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Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
From: Graydon Blair <graydonblair at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] Purchase WVO?
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Best of luck to you!
The law has actually been on the books since 1988. It has more to do with
the Federal Clean Waters Act then collecting grease.
Salt Lake County is the only county that I'm aware of that has that law on
the books. They're a little more "progressive" that way....
-Graydon
David Y <themadmerchant at gmail.com> wrote: Wow. I had no idea a company
could be so obtuse. Harassing restaurant managers over waste vegetable oil?
This sounds like a mafia episode from the Simpsons. How on earth did this
law requiring a 'grease handlers permit' get passed? Do any other counties
in the country have laws like that?
One thing is clear: It's time to band together in our collection and brewing
efforts.
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From: p M < <mailto:pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com> pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
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I think some of the initial info we would need in to
consider doing this would be:
1. Total monthly consumption of biodiesel by the
members of the group to decide if economically
feisable. I for one would rarely consume more than
100 gal/mo. It would be wise to put together a
business plan on this idea with the imputs that we
want it to accumplish and what it would cost.
Important thing is that we all brain storm and put
together out ideas.
2. Would the Utahbiodiesel.org want to allow us
members to use this tax exempt entity to operate under
if so why can't the .org get a permit and insurance so
any of us can collect and carry grease.
3. It's not out of the question for the .org to
purchase biodiesel at wholesale discount from out of
state processor and provide it at cost to it's
members. Collectively we would probably use enought
to justify quantity discounts. Dal Sogolio buys a
tanker full from Colorado and distributes it to other
stations.
4. Other ideas?
Phil Mattingly
--- Andre Shoumatoff <andre at shoumatoffmedia.com>
wrote:
> I am actually in complete support of this concept,
> entirely, but the
> stipulation that I want is that "being a member" of
> the Co-op does not mean
> that you have to participate in a more
> traditionally-cooperative way.. The
> vast majority of members are people who don't have
> time to brew but want to
> keep on using it and showing support for it, so they
> mostly buy it...
>
> The big challenges, I think, are mostly financial
> and people working
> together, and coming up with leadership to get it
> going. There is a member
> in Park City (Bill Hartleib) who I will be meeting
> with later today who is a
> strong proponent of this idea, so there is one
> person. Perhaps the person
> who suggested the idea as #2? I think if we could
> take say 3 or 4 persons
> in leadership positions, and start working on the
> idea of setting up a
> location, figuring how much each person would have
> to put in, in
> relationship to rent, cost of the equipment,
> cost/time of collecting grease.
> We also have a few insurance agents who are members
> of the Coop who have
> offered to at least persue the idea of insurance,
> both for the facility and
> for necessary permits. Is anyone else interested in
> this idea?
>
> Andre
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org
> [mailto:list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org]
> On Behalf Of rtrim at xmission.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:48 PM
> To: list at utahbiodiesel.org
> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
>
> I'm a new member as well. What you are proposing
> seems like a full Co-op. If
> my read is right of what is posted on the
> Utahbiodiesel.org site, they don't
> want to be a full co-op... yet.
>
> Interesting comment by the guy on the KUER segment
> about transporting human
> waste....Lets see, my 5th wheel trailer carries 47
> gal. of the stuff all
> over the place until I hit a dump station... and
> they're how many hundreds
> of like rigs moving about daily in Utah? Seems a bit
> more risky than a
> barrel of veggie oil.
>
> It's also interesting that the guy from Renegade
> isn't smart enough to
> figure out that if he gets paid to haul it away and
> can get paid again to
> sell some to us... that's a pretty good business
> model. Yet he expends a
> great deal of energy trying to stop those who are
> willing to pay him. Not
> the sharpest pencil in the pack.
>
> Bob Trim
>
> Quoting p M <pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com>:
>
> > Although I am a newer member of the .org, it seems
> logical that if we
> > combined out talents, time and resources to
> produce the biodiesel we
> > would all benefit.
> >
> > Ideas like:
> > 1. Renting a building where we can make/store the
> stuff and get it
> > out of our home garages.
> > 2. Divide and conquer...some of the group be
> responsible for gather
> > the grease and others to manufacture it 3. Modest
> fee charged per gal
> > of use to pay overhead 4. Investigate discount
> bulk buying from large
> > producer for the use of our non profit
> organization 5. Suggestions,
> > comments?
> > Phil Mattingly
> >
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:38:38 -0600
From: rtrim at xmission.com
Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
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You are right on target, IMHO. As for me, I'd love to brew 'cause I'm a
tinkerer at heart but I have a full plate of activities for the next 24
months. Buying it from the proposed effort would be ideal for me. Second, my
consumption now would be zero. I do not have a diesel... yet. I am buying a
HDT (Volvo 610) to pull our 5th wheel, in the next 12 months. I'd need
150-200 gal. at a whack, every other month. I'd also be able to carve out
some time to help brew, or collect if a sched. is set.
bob
Quoting p M <pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com>:
> I think some of the initial info we would need in to
> consider doing this would be:
> 1. Total monthly consumption of biodiesel by the
> members of the group to decide if economically
> feisable. I for one would rarely consume more than
> 100 gal/mo. It would be wise to put together a
> business plan on this idea with the imputs that we
> want it to accumplish and what it would cost.
> Important thing is that we all brain storm and put
> together out ideas.
> 2. Would the Utahbiodiesel.org want to allow us
> members to use this tax exempt entity to operate under
> if so why can't the .org get a permit and insurance so
> any of us can collect and carry grease.
> 3. It's not out of the question for the .org to
> purchase biodiesel at wholesale discount from out of
> state processor and provide it at cost to it's
> members. Collectively we would probably use enought
> to justify quantity discounts. Dal Sogolio buys a
> tanker full from Colorado and distributes it to other
> stations.
> 4. Other ideas?
> Phil Mattingly
>
> --- Andre Shoumatoff <andre at shoumatoffmedia.com
<mailto:andre at shoumatoffmedia.com> >
> wrote:
>
>> I am actually in complete support of this concept,
>> entirely, but the
>> stipulation that I want is that "being a member" of
>> the Co-op does not mean
>> that you have to participate in a more
>> traditionally-cooperative way.. The
>> vast majority of members are people who don't have
>> time to brew but want to
>> keep on using it and showing support for it, so they
>> mostly buy it...
>>
>> The big challenges, I think, are mostly financial
>> and people working
>> together, and coming up with leadership to get it
>> going. There is a member
>> in Park City (Bill Hartleib) who I will be meeting
>> with later today who is a
>> strong proponent of this idea, so there is one
>> person. Perhaps the person
>> who suggested the idea as #2? I think if we could
>> take say 3 or 4 persons
>> in leadership positions, and start working on the
>> idea of setting up a
>> location, figuring how much each person would have
>> to put in, in
>> relationship to rent, cost of the equipment,
>> cost/time of collecting grease.
>> We also have a few insurance agents who are members
>> of the Coop who have
>> offered to at least persue the idea of insurance,
>> both for the facility and
>> for necessary permits. Is anyone else interested in
>> this idea?
>>
>> Andre
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org
>> [mailto:list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org]
>> On Behalf Of rtrim at xmission.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:48 PM
>> To: list at utahbiodiesel.org
>> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
>>
>> I'm a new member as well. What you are proposing
>> seems like a full Co-op. If
>> my read is right of what is posted on the
>> Utahbiodiesel.org <http://Utahbiodiesel.org> site, they don't
>> want to be a full co-op... yet.
>>
>> Interesting comment by the guy on the KUER segment
>> about transporting human
>> waste....Lets see, my 5th wheel trailer carries 47
>> gal. of the stuff all
>> over the place until I hit a dump station... and
>> they're how many hundreds
>> of like rigs moving about daily in Utah? Seems a bit
>> more risky than a
>> barrel of veggie oil.
>>
>> It's also interesting that the guy from Renegade
>> isn't smart enough to
>> figure out that if he gets paid to haul it away and
>> can get paid again to
>> sell some to us... that's a pretty good business
>> model. Yet he expends a
>> great deal of energy trying to stop those who are
>> willing to pay him. Not
>> the sharpest pencil in the pack.
>>
>> Bob Trim
>>
>> Quoting p M <pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com>:
>>
>> > Although I am a newer member of the .org, it seems
>> logical that if we
>> > combined out talents, time and resources to
>> produce the biodiesel we
>> > would all benefit.
>> >
>> > Ideas like:
>> > 1. Renting a building where we can make/store the
>> stuff and get it
>> > out of our home garages.
>> > 2. Divide and conquer...some of the group be
>> responsible for gather
>> > the grease and others to manufacture it 3. Modest
>> fee charged per gal
>> > of use to pay overhead 4. Investigate discount
>> bulk buying from large
>> > producer for the use of our non profit
>> organization 5. Suggestions,
>> > comments?
>> > Phil Mattingly
>> >
>> > __________________________________________________
>> > Do You Yahoo!?
>> > Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
>> protection around
>> > http://mail.yahoo.com
>> >
>> >
>>
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>> Users in Utah hosted
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