[Biodiesel In Utah] list Digest, Vol 65, Issue 1

[Jonathan Engle]

(This is just a general statement of support for the idea)

I've been a rather quiet member of the forum for almost a year now (don't
often post, for whatever reason). I'm very interested in biodiesel and have
been searching for the right diesel car for a while now as well.

The proposed arrangment of a cooperative is something to which I would be
more than willing to donate time and energy, even without the prospect of
immediate benefit. Once I've acquired a diesel engine to run, I'd be willing
to put money in as well.

Jonathan

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>    1. Re: working together (Andre Shoumatoff)
>    2. Re: Purchase WVO? (David Y)
>    3. Re: Purchase WVO? (Graydon Blair)
>    4. Re: working together (p M)
>    5. Re: working together (rtrim at xmission.com)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 12:07:36 -0600
> From: "Andre Shoumatoff" <andre at shoumatoffmedia.com>
> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
> To: "'Biodiesel in Utah'" <list at utahbiodiesel.org>
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> I am actually in complete support of this concept, entirely, but the
> stipulation that I want is that "being a member" of the Co-op does not
> mean
> that you have to participate in a more traditionally-cooperative
> way..  The
> vast majority of members are people who don't have time to brew but want
> to
> keep on using it and showing support for it, so they mostly buy it...
>
> The big challenges, I think, are mostly financial and people working
> together, and coming up with leadership to get it going. There is a member
> in Park City (Bill Hartleib) who I will be meeting with later today who is
> a
> strong proponent of this idea, so there is one person.  Perhaps the person
> who suggested the idea as #2?   I think if we could take say 3 or 4
> persons
> in leadership positions, and start working on the idea of setting up a
> location, figuring how much each person would have to put in, in
> relationship to rent, cost of the equipment, cost/time of collecting
> grease.
> We also have a few insurance agents who are members of the Coop who have
> offered to at least persue the idea of insurance, both for the facility
> and
> for necessary permits.  Is anyone else interested in this idea?
>
> Andre
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org [mailto:
> list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org]
> On Behalf Of rtrim at xmission.com
> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:48 PM
> To: list at utahbiodiesel.org
> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
>
> I'm a new member as well. What you are proposing seems like a full Co-op.
> If
> my read is right of what is posted on the Utahbiodiesel.org site, they
> don't
> want to be a full co-op... yet.
>
> Interesting comment by the guy on the KUER segment about transporting
> human
> waste....Lets see, my 5th wheel trailer carries 47 gal. of the stuff all
> over the place until I hit a dump station... and they're how many hundreds
> of like rigs moving about daily in Utah? Seems a bit more risky than a
> barrel of veggie oil.
>
> It's also interesting that the guy from Renegade isn't smart enough to
> figure out that if he gets paid to haul it away and can get paid again to
> sell some to us... that's a pretty good business model. Yet he expends a
> great deal of energy trying to stop those who are willing to pay him. Not
> the sharpest pencil in the pack.
>
> Bob Trim
>
> Quoting p M <pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com>:
>
> > Although I am a newer member of the .org, it seems logical that if we
> > combined out talents, time and resources to produce the biodiesel we
> > would all benefit.
> >
> > Ideas like:
> > 1.  Renting a building where we can make/store the stuff and get it
> > out of our home garages.
> > 2.  Divide and conquer...some of the group be responsible for gather
> > the grease and others to manufacture it 3.  Modest fee charged per gal
> > of use to pay overhead 4.  Investigate discount bulk buying from large
> > producer for the use of our non profit organization 5.  Suggestions,
> > comments?
> > Phil Mattingly
> >
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> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:01:09 -0600
> From: "David Y" <themadmerchant at gmail.com>
> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] Purchase WVO?
> To: "Biodiesel in Utah" <list at utahbiodiesel.org>
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> Wow.  I had no idea a company could be so obtuse.  Harassing restaurant
> managers over waste vegetable oil?  This sounds like a mafia episode from
> the Simpsons.  How on earth did this law requiring a 'grease handlers
> permit' get passed?  Do any other counties in the country have laws like
> that?
>
> One thing is clear: It's time to band together in our collection and
> brewing
> efforts.
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> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 15:09:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: Graydon Blair <graydonblair at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] Purchase WVO?
> To: Biodiesel in Utah <list at utahbiodiesel.org>
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> Best of luck to you!
>
> The law has actually been on the books since 1988. It has more to do with
> the Federal Clean Waters Act then collecting grease.
>
> Salt Lake County is the only county that I'm aware of that has that law on
> the books. They're a little more "progressive" that way....
>
> -Graydon
> David Y <themadmerchant at gmail.com> wrote: Wow.  I had no idea a company
> could be so obtuse.  Harassing restaurant managers over waste vegetable
> oil?  This sounds like a mafia episode from the Simpsons.  How on earth did
> this law requiring a 'grease handlers permit' get passed?  Do any other
> counties in the country have laws like that?
>
> One thing is clear: It's time to band together in our collection and
> brewing efforts.
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> Date: Thu, 24 Aug 2006 20:28:24 -0700 (PDT)
> From: p M <pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com>
> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
> To: Biodiesel in Utah <list at utahbiodiesel.org>
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> I think some of the initial info we would need in to
> consider doing this would be:
> 1.  Total monthly consumption of biodiesel by the
> members of the group to decide if economically
> feisable.  I for one would rarely consume more than
> 100 gal/mo.  It would be wise to put together a
> business plan on this idea with the imputs that we
> want it to accumplish and what it would cost.
> Important thing is that we all brain storm and put
> together out ideas.
> 2.  Would the Utahbiodiesel.org want to allow us
> members to use this tax exempt entity to operate under
> if so why can't the .org get a permit and insurance so
> any of us can collect and carry grease.
> 3.  It's not out of the question for the .org to
> purchase biodiesel at wholesale discount from out of
> state processor and provide it at cost to it's
> members.  Collectively we would probably use enought
> to justify quantity discounts.  Dal Sogolio buys a
> tanker full from Colorado and distributes it to  other
> stations.
> 4.  Other ideas?
> Phil Mattingly
>
> --- Andre Shoumatoff <andre at shoumatoffmedia.com>
> wrote:
>
> > I am actually in complete support of this concept,
> > entirely, but the
> > stipulation that I want is that "being a member" of
> > the Co-op does not mean
> > that you have to participate in a more
> > traditionally-cooperative way..  The
> > vast majority of members are people who don't have
> > time to brew but want to
> > keep on using it and showing support for it, so they
> > mostly buy it...
> >
> > The big challenges, I think, are mostly financial
> > and people working
> > together, and coming up with leadership to get it
> > going. There is a member
> > in Park City (Bill Hartleib) who I will be meeting
> > with later today who is a
> > strong proponent of this idea, so there is one
> > person.  Perhaps the person
> > who suggested the idea as #2?   I think if we could
> > take say 3 or 4 persons
> > in leadership positions, and start working on the
> > idea of setting up a
> > location, figuring how much each person would have
> > to put in, in
> > relationship to rent, cost of the equipment,
> > cost/time of collecting grease.
> > We also have a few insurance agents who are members
> > of the Coop who have
> > offered to at least persue the idea of insurance,
> > both for the facility and
> > for necessary permits.  Is anyone else interested in
> > this idea?
> >
> > Andre
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org
> > [mailto:list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org]
> > On Behalf Of rtrim at xmission.com
> > Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:48 PM
> > To: list at utahbiodiesel.org
> > Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
> >
> > I'm a new member as well. What you are proposing
> > seems like a full Co-op. If
> > my read is right of what is posted on the
> > Utahbiodiesel.org site, they don't
> > want to be a full co-op... yet.
> >
> > Interesting comment by the guy on the KUER segment
> > about transporting human
> > waste....Lets see, my 5th wheel trailer carries 47
> > gal. of the stuff all
> > over the place until I hit a dump station... and
> > they're how many hundreds
> > of like rigs moving about daily in Utah? Seems a bit
> > more risky than a
> > barrel of veggie oil.
> >
> > It's also interesting that the guy from Renegade
> > isn't smart enough to
> > figure out that if he gets paid to haul it away and
> > can get paid again to
> > sell some to us... that's a pretty good business
> > model. Yet he expends a
> > great deal of energy trying to stop those who are
> > willing to pay him. Not
> > the sharpest pencil in the pack.
> >
> > Bob Trim
> >
> > Quoting p M <pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com>:
> >
> > > Although I am a newer member of the .org, it seems
> > logical that if we
> > > combined out talents, time and resources to
> > produce the biodiesel we
> > > would all benefit.
> > >
> > > Ideas like:
> > > 1.  Renting a building where we can make/store the
> > stuff and get it
> > > out of our home garages.
> > > 2.  Divide and conquer...some of the group be
> > responsible for gather
> > > the grease and others to manufacture it 3.  Modest
> > fee charged per gal
> > > of use to pay overhead 4.  Investigate discount
> > bulk buying from large
> > > producer for the use of our non profit
> > organization 5.  Suggestions,
> > > comments?
> > > Phil Mattingly
> > >
> > > __________________________________________________
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> Message: 5
> Date: Fri, 25 Aug 2006 09:38:38 -0600
> From: rtrim at xmission.com
> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
> To: list at utahbiodiesel.org
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> You are right on target, IMHO. As for me, I'd love to brew 'cause I'm a
> tinkerer at heart but I have a full plate of activities for the next 24
> months. Buying it from the proposed effort would be ideal for me. Second,
> my
> consumption now would be zero. I do not have a diesel... yet. I am buying
> a
> HDT (Volvo 610) to pull our 5th wheel, in the next 12 months. I'd need
> 150-200  gal. at a whack, every other month.  I'd also be able to carve
> out
> some time to help brew, or collect if a sched. is set.
>
> bob
>
> Quoting p M <pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com>:
>
> > I think some of the initial info we would need in to
> > consider doing this would be:
> > 1.  Total monthly consumption of biodiesel by the
> > members of the group to decide if economically
> > feisable.  I for one would rarely consume more than
> > 100 gal/mo.  It would be wise to put together a
> > business plan on this idea with the imputs that we
> > want it to accumplish and what it would cost.
> > Important thing is that we all brain storm and put
> > together out ideas.
> > 2.  Would the Utahbiodiesel.org want to allow us
> > members to use this tax exempt entity to operate under
> > if so why can't the .org get a permit and insurance so
> > any of us can collect and carry grease.
> > 3.  It's not out of the question for the .org to
> > purchase biodiesel at wholesale discount from out of
> > state processor and provide it at cost to it's
> > members.  Collectively we would probably use enought
> > to justify quantity discounts.  Dal Sogolio buys a
> > tanker full from Colorado and distributes it to  other
> > stations.
> > 4.  Other ideas?
> > Phil Mattingly
> >
> > --- Andre Shoumatoff <andre at shoumatoffmedia.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> >> I am actually in complete support of this concept,
> >> entirely, but the
> >> stipulation that I want is that "being a member" of
> >> the Co-op does not mean
> >> that you have to participate in a more
> >> traditionally-cooperative way..  The
> >> vast majority of members are people who don't have
> >> time to brew but want to
> >> keep on using it and showing support for it, so they
> >> mostly buy it...
> >>
> >> The big challenges, I think, are mostly financial
> >> and people working
> >> together, and coming up with leadership to get it
> >> going. There is a member
> >> in Park City (Bill Hartleib) who I will be meeting
> >> with later today who is a
> >> strong proponent of this idea, so there is one
> >> person.  Perhaps the person
> >> who suggested the idea as #2?   I think if we could
> >> take say 3 or 4 persons
> >> in leadership positions, and start working on the
> >> idea of setting up a
> >> location, figuring how much each person would have
> >> to put in, in
> >> relationship to rent, cost of the equipment,
> >> cost/time of collecting grease.
> >> We also have a few insurance agents who are members
> >> of the Coop who have
> >> offered to at least persue the idea of insurance,
> >> both for the facility and
> >> for necessary permits.  Is anyone else interested in
> >> this idea?
> >>
> >> Andre
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org
> >> [mailto:list-bounces at utahbiodiesel.org]
> >> On Behalf Of rtrim at xmission.com
> >> Sent: Wednesday, August 23, 2006 8:48 PM
> >> To: list at utahbiodiesel.org
> >> Subject: Re: [Biodiesel In Utah] working together
> >>
> >> I'm a new member as well. What you are proposing
> >> seems like a full Co-op. If
> >> my read is right of what is posted on the
> >> Utahbiodiesel.org site, they don't
> >> want to be a full co-op... yet.
> >>
> >> Interesting comment by the guy on the KUER segment
> >> about transporting human
> >> waste....Lets see, my 5th wheel trailer carries 47
> >> gal. of the stuff all
> >> over the place until I hit a dump station... and
> >> they're how many hundreds
> >> of like rigs moving about daily in Utah? Seems a bit
> >> more risky than a
> >> barrel of veggie oil.
> >>
> >> It's also interesting that the guy from Renegade
> >> isn't smart enough to
> >> figure out that if he gets paid to haul it away and
> >> can get paid again to
> >> sell some to us... that's a pretty good business
> >> model. Yet he expends a
> >> great deal of energy trying to stop those who are
> >> willing to pay him. Not
> >> the sharpest pencil in the pack.
> >>
> >> Bob Trim
> >>
> >> Quoting p M <pmwheels2000 at yahoo.com>:
> >>
> >> > Although I am a newer member of the .org, it seems
> >> logical that if we
> >> > combined out talents, time and resources to
> >> produce the biodiesel we
> >> > would all benefit.
> >> >
> >> > Ideas like:
> >> > 1.  Renting a building where we can make/store the
> >> stuff and get it
> >> > out of our home garages.
> >> > 2.  Divide and conquer...some of the group be
> >> responsible for gather
> >> > the grease and others to manufacture it 3.  Modest
> >> fee charged per gal
> >> > of use to pay overhead 4.  Investigate discount
> >> bulk buying from large
> >> > producer for the use of our non profit
> >> organization 5.  Suggestions,
> >> > comments?
> >> > Phil Mattingly
> >> >
> >> > __________________________________________________
> >> > Do You Yahoo!?
> >> > Tired of spam?  Yahoo! Mail has the best spam
> >> protection around
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> >> >
> >> >
> >>
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> >> Users in Utah hosted
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Jonathan Engle
Lab Tech
Utah Center for Advanced Imaging Research
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